Re: [lojban] Question about tanru and lujvo invention

["'Wuzzy' via lojban" <lojban@googlegroups.com>]

Since I think nobody actually answered the questions but just babbled
around it, I'll answer them.

> For example, cadzu mroxadni (walking corpse) can mean zombie, but
> also (more artistically) someone who's not living a meaningful life.
> For me, both of the meanings are interesting, it seems a pity to lose
> either of it.
You don't “lose” one or the other meaning by creating a lujvo, because
you can always create another lujvo, but the other lujvo must be based
on a different tanru.
So the second meaning is not lost, it is just differently expressed.

> So I wonder is there some way to record both concepts down?
Yes. Of course it is possible to pin down both concepts. You do this by
using lujvo built from different tanru.

As for your example, the second meaning sounds very metaphorically, so
I would throw a “pe'a” into it; “pe'a” has a rafsi, so you could build
a lujvo like “pevdzumroxadni” for the methaphor.

> More
> generally, how to assign different "shortcuts" (like lujvo) to
> different meanings of a single tanru?
This is not possible without breaking the rules of Lojban.
As you have said, a lujvo represents a single meaning of the many
possible interpretations of a tanru.

That way, you can be sure that “gerzda” simply means “dog house” and
not something far-fetched, like a house which looks like a dog (which
could be one of many possible interpretations of “gerku zdani”). ;-)

The general rule is simply: 1 lujvo = 1 meaning.

But what you could try is try to kinda work around this. If you really
think a tanru has two equally “important” meanings, try to make a
slight variation. For your second meaning, alter a word or two. Or
maybe throw in some cmavo (like “pe'a” if you are using a metaphor).

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