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Re: [lojban] Re: [Llg-members] A story of "Search %s" string in Vivaldi browser



Le dimanche 20 décembre 2015 10:13:29 UTC, la gleki a écrit :


2015-12-20 12:32 GMT+03:00 guskant <gusni...@gmail.com>:


Le dimanche 20 décembre 2015 08:57:23 UTC, la gleki a écrit :

 
I'm intolerant to everything beyond CLL. Even my unofficial parsers are merely a playtoy, a tool to study Lojban, not to break it.
Changing Lojban is breaking its community which already happened once in 2004.

It's a pity that the current Lojban is probably irreversibly incompatible with CLL, I only have to accept that and perceive as if the language is starting from scratch. But I of course can't accept if this is going to happen on a regular basis. That's why my intolerance over even more backward incompatible changes.


Teaching {la'oi} in your course and abusing a statement in NU clause: what a double standard of you! It's you who broke so-called Lojbanistan by expelling me. 

1. I didn't expel you. I'm just documenting what people are using. As I said I perceive the situation as starting the language from scratch. But when some person says "let's drop this usage" it's breaking communication. 

You did. See the proof in the page of URL above.
 
2. Am I supposed not to teach {la'oi}? Then how one would understand what this {la'oi} means?

Simply teach that it's not Lojban. Even doing it, the learner will find it in jbovlaste, and understand the usage.
 
3. People are using {la'oi}. I don't understand how {la'oi} breaks CLL. This particle is backward compatible. What problems are you having with it? I can only see that for you {la'oi} is not neutral towards Polynesian languages. But we already know that Lojban is not neutral. Why are you accusing me of teaching it? The little blame gets all the blame? The same as before. If one does nothing 'ey can't be blaimed. Is this what is desired?

It breaks CLL 1.1 by forcing learners cultural non-neutrality. As for the correctness of CLL, use bpfk list:
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/bpfk-list/5_SDz58KJAw/discussion

 
4. I don't understand what does mean "abusing a statement in NU clause"? Using {nu} where {du'u} is to be used? It's from xorxe's Alice. If there is some underformalization going on I don't have time to resolve it when everything is working anyways.


No, I simply meant syntactic form "NU statement (KEI)", which require some KEI non-elidible more than camxes. You abused also my parser parses differently from camxes as follows:

([{ro BOI} {mo <ge mo (¹gi mo¹) GIhI>} KU] VAU) 

([{<ro BOI> mo KU} {cu <ge mo (¹gi mo¹) GIhI> VAU}] IAU) 

([{<ro BOI> mo KU} {ge <cu (¹mo VAU¹)> <gi (¹CU [mo VAU]¹)> GIhI}] IAU) 

You did then said "ja'o lo guskanbau cu banzu frica lo jbobau", which implies that you expelled me from so-called Lojbanistan.

You didn't mention that your parser for your course "camxes-exp" parses cmevla as tanru unit: it is already backward incompatible to camxes. It is another evidence of your double standard.

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