On 5/22/2016 4:18 AM, Bruno Panasiewicz wrote:
On 22 May 2016 at 07:16, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com...
<mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>> wrote:
"I don't like them"? What you're saying is nonsense. Either
you're a descriptivist and choose to describe what's used, no
matter if you want it or not; or you're a prescriptivist,
drawing a straight, definite line between "correct" Lojban and
not Lojban. If you're the first one, then what you've just said
disproves it, because you can't cherrypick features. If you're
the second, then I have to say, your "straight, definite line"
is tremendously fuzzy. I don't mind if you're writing this
frivolously, but then please don't tell us such things.
Now, YOU haven't answered my question.
Keep it consistent. Either there is 1 Lojban, or there
are many.
There is 1 Lojban but la bangu is not about any particular
language at all.
Define "not any particular language at all". Maybe I don't
understand.
La Bangu is for Loglan, Lojban, semi-Lojban whatever.
Then what are you really trying to teach? BPFK Lojban? CLL Lojban? IRC
Lojban? Zantufa Lojban? A mix of these, maybe?
...
> One page can cause much confusion if it teaches unofficial or wrong Lojban or not Lojban.
What is not Lojban? Give me a wiki page that exemplifies
your statement.
Wave lessons.
Wave Lessons try do describe official Lojban with some
discrepancies. Everything gets slowly reviewed in this peculiar
place, and Wave Lessons are just a bit late.
...
It uses experimental cmavo that you consider bad.
Which one? You mean, {xa'o}? Have they told the listeners that
it's experimental?
Read more. Maybe you read only the crash course on the wiki which is
fine by itself but criticizing one page (or one set of pages if you
include transclusion) must be done in comparison with other pages.
There are other experimental cmavo. Just read carefully.
Then either remove them or warn about them.
lojbab weighs in (informally), for what it's worth.
OK. Maybe I am figuring out what this is about. Or maybe not. If this "Crash Course" is on the wiki, then politeness to all the rest of us readers would necessitate someone actually putting a link to it (which should be included in ALL messages about the topic, since not everyone reads every message).
So I've never seen this "crash course". And I don't have the time or the interest to try to find it. But there seems to be enough information to offer some guidelines.
1. Both "The Wave Lessons" and the "Crash Course" seem to be distinct and unitary items, just as is "CLL". It seems to me that any such unitary items should be well-defined, and isolated. One way is to remove them completely from the normal Lojban web pages to something separate, and then include a single point of entry link that is used to get from the Lojban web pages to a home page for the unitary project.
2. If the unitary project is implemented on the same wiki as the Lojban web pages (as seems to be the case here), there should be a single index page that lists and links to all of the component pages making up the project, and maybe a separate index to any pages that comment on, or make reference to, the component pages. The project home page would link to this.
3. If the project makes use of any experimental or non-standard language features, there should be maintained a list of those features in one place, either on the project home page, or on the index page, or on some other single page where people can look and see and thus easily evaluate whether they wish to make use of the material. It is not necessary to mark each non standard use, so long as there is only the single entry point into the materials, and the list of non-standard features is easily found from that single entry point.
The standard language is defined by the baseline materials and any changes formally approved by byfy (which hopefully will maintain a single page linking to all approved changes that are not included in the baseline documentation).
lojbab
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