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Re: [lojban] Re: CLL and modern Lojban
coi
I am a passive observer within the Lojban community, following on-and-off for the past years and being interested particularly in the algorithmic aspects of Lojban structure and Lojban parsing.
I pick up the thread at this point juts to say that the issue raised resonates a lot with me.
Trying to be very concrete: let's say I have some hours to dedicate to the project... is there some action that I could do that would increase the chances of reaching a CLL 2.0, or a 4th baseline grammar, or in general to have an updated specification of how "official" Lojban should be understood?
I would be happy to hear your suggestions!
mi'e la .greg.
On November 6, 2017 2:41:42 PM CET, guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com> wrote:
>Le lundi 6 novembre 2017 09:32:10 UTC, Benoit Neil a écrit :
>> ...
>>
>> Anyway, if you say the BPFK works as I described, then I feel it's
>good
>> news. However:
>>
>> - From afar, CLL seems a bit "stuck" at 1.1. Am I right? Do you
>think
>> there would be some 1.x before 2.0 (ie. minor updates)?
>>
>>
>
>You will find issues for CLL 1.2 here:
>
>https://github.com/lojban/cll/milestone/12
>
>The issues were already discussed by past lojbanists, and Cirko worked
>on
>introducing them into the next version of CLL. Gleki asked BPFK members
>for
>approval of them, and no one responded:
>
>https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/bpfk-list/jqVDF5z9LqA
>
>I, as a member of BPFK, am responsible for approving them, but I did
>not
>have enough time for that. Even if I have time for that, I can't
>imagine
>that I can approve any English texts written by an native English
>speaker
>because I'm very poor at English.
>
>You can freely approve them even if you are not a member of BPFK. If
>you
>want to do it as a member of BPFK, just post a message in Lojban to
>"bpfk-list" Google Group at the URL above, saying that you want to be a
>
>member, and you will be admitted.
>
>
>
>> - As I said on #ckule (IRC), it might be a good idea to write on
>the
>> front page the version of the CLL and its release date ;-)
>>
>>
>
>I agree.
>
>
>
>>
>> - Are some "betas" / "working branches" available (or will be
>> available), so that people get a chance to have a look at before
>the
>> official release?
>> - Do you have in mind any plausible releases dates? I'm not asking
>for
>> a contractual thing, of course! Just to have a vague idea in mind.
>>
>>
>
>You should find many branches at the github repository above. I have
>never
>contributed to the repository for some reasons:
>
>- the repository is governed by "the Lojban Coders' Group". I regard it
>as
>a kind of unofficial fans' group. Although the Group owns many official
>or
>pre-official contents, the owner(s) and the contributors are not equal
>to
>the members of BPFK or LLG. I am a member of BPFK and LLG, and I have
>never
>invited as a collaborator or an owner of the group. I once made a small
>
>pull request to another repository of the group, but it was ignored for
>
>almost one year.
>
>- I made some efforts on bpfk-list to remove grammatical difficulties
>or
>important logical defects, but we had always a stubborn defender of the
>
>current state. You can find such discussions with no conclusion in the
>bpfk-list Google Group above. Consequently, I have lost hope in
>updating
>CLL, and shifted myself to create a large personal commentary on the
>whole
>CLL ver.1.1.
>
>
>
>
>> Aside from that, and from my novice point of view, it seems that
>forks do
>> exist and seem significant. Isn't it a signal, asking for more
>updates in
>> the official CLL? Or do you feel that *some* people forking are
>simply
>> impatient having their proposals integrated? What is your point of
>view?
>>
>> la .sykyndyr.
>>
>> .i mi kamjunmre mi fi la .lojban. me'a lu .abu. pa li'u le ropno
>bangu bo
>> manri
>>
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_European_Framework_of_Reference_for_Languages>
>>
>
>
>lo'ai fi sa'ai fu le'ai ie pei
>i ji'a e'u lo'ai me'a lu .abu. pa li'u sa'ai li .abu pi'e pa le'ai ie
>pei
>
>
>
>> .i ganai la .lojban. pe mi toldra gi e'o o'anai ko dragau
>> (I self-evaluate my Lojban level as being less than A1, as for the
>CEFR
>>
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_European_Framework_of_Reference_for_Languages>.
>
>> Please correct my Lojban if I'm wrong!)
>>
>
>
>i na'i ma'i mi na'e toldra i po'o .au sajgau do lo xauzma be fi mi
>
>mi'e la guskant
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