Re: [bpfk] Re: O HAI I FIXT UR LODGEBANZ

[And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com>]

Jorge Llambías, On 16/10/2010 14:10:
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, And Rosta<and.rosta@gmail.com>  wrote:
> > How does Lojban distinguishthe following?
> > "I know who she knows that he likes"= "I know that(WH)x she knows that he
> > likes x"
> > "I know that she knows who he likes"? = "I know that she knows that(WH)x he
> > likes x"
> > -- these differ wrt the scope of the WH complementizer.
>
> I would say they are:
>
>   mi djuno lo du'u ma kau goi ko'a zo'u ko'e djuno lo du'u ko'i nelci ko'a
>
>   mi djuno lo du'u ko'e djuno lo du'u ko'i nelci ma kau
>
> The second one being equivalent to expanded form:
>
>   mi djuno lo du'u ko'e djuno lo du'u ma kau goi ko'a zo'u ko'i nelci ko'a

These are the obvious ways, indeed. They require two rules, one that says "lo du'u Q kau zo'u" expresses -- probably idiomatically rather than compositionally -- an interrogativity "complementizer" (or whatever you want to call it), and another that says that an unprenexed Q-kau should be construed as belonging to the innermost prenex. The latter rule is doubtless redundant to a more general rule that unprenexed stuff, such as quantifiers, belong to the innermost prenex.

And ideally an additional rule that translates "Q(+pau)" (i.e. kau-less Q-words) into "illocution lo du'u Q kau zo'u", too.

The satisfactoriness of "lo du'u Q kau zo'u" might depend on whether idiomaticity is compatible with Lojban principles. If not compatible, then a new construction is called for.

--And.

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