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Re: [bpfk] BPFK work



2010/10/12 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2010/10/12 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>
>> On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Robert LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Right now, there are no formal rules governing multiple texts and their
>> > possible interactions.
>>
>> > Perhaps there should be, but I am inclined to think
>> > we should wait till the BYFY finishes the simpler "single text" problem
>> > we've been stuck on for years before making the job harder.
>>
>> Indeed. And we should avoid legislating on things that don't really
>> have anything to do with what a grammar is supposed to do.
>
> Then why did you even bring it up?

Bring what up? It was lojbab who suggested that perhaps there should
be formal rules governing multiple texts and their possible
interactions, not me. I'm not even sure such formal rules could be
added without completely breaking the language. Consider this:

A: do klama mo
B: lo zarci

Each of A and B is speaking proper Lojban. Any rule that results in
that exchange not counting as proper Lojban, is breaking the language,
in my opinion. And any rule that tells you how to separate the single
input "do klama mo lo zarci" into the two strings produced by A and B
will not be a formal grammar rule. At best it will be based on some
kind of heuristics. Or it will need some additional input like voice
recognition. I just don't see how you could feed that to a formal
parser and have the result of the parse be a conversation. At least
not with the type of formal grammars we have for Lojban today.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

I have an easy fix for that specific example. I believe I've mentioned it before.

Preface your speech with {.i}.

Then it becomes

A: .i do klama ma
B: .i lo zarci

Amazingly, this rule tells you how to separate the single input ".i do klama ma .i lo zarci" into the two strings produced by A and B, isn't based on any heuristics or voice recognition, and is already part of the formal grammar! Huzzah!

Which is yet another reason why I frown on the practice of /not/ beginning one's speech with one of {.i}, {ni'o}, or {no'i}, and .lojbab. apparently is in agreement with me.

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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