Re: [bpfk] type-3 fu'ivla with different kinds of rafsi

[John Cowan <cowan@mercury.ccil.org>]

Pierre Abbat scripsit:

> I think that anything that *looks* like a type-3 should *be* a type-3,  

I can live with that if you confine the definition of "type 3" to 4-letter
rafsi, because crunchy consonant clusters CCRC are fairly rare in natlangs.
Adding another rule to see whether a proposed type-4 collides with a type-3
that has a 3-letter rafsi strikes me as excessively complicated; type-4
fu'ivla are hard enough to generate and validate as it is.

> Also two 
> type-3 fu'ivla formed with different rafsi of the same gismu and the same 
> foreign part, such as "fiprgado" and "finprgado", should be the same word, 

Bah.  Not worth it.  I'd sooner redefine "djarspageti" as a type 4.

> BTW, I'd say "sparganio".

I think letting CiV and CuV into fu'ivla is a bad idea.  Part of the
reason we banned them in rafsi (and consequently in lujvo) was to prevent
them from disappearing into mere palatalization and labialization of
the preceding C.

> > There can be no guaranteed analysis of a fu'ivla: it's any
> > brivla-shaped word that is not a gismu, lujvo, or slinku'i.  The point
> > of the type-3 rules is simply to help someone reliably build a fu'ivla
> > and not wind up with any of the other word forms.
> 
> Since one can follow the rules with CVV or CCV and get slinku'i or lujvo such 
> as "sparklematsi" or "naurboi", fu'ivla beginning with CVV or CCV should be 
> removed from type 3 and the rules rewritten accordingly.

The Book already warns that the type-3 rules aren't reliable with 3-letter
rafsi.

-- 
John Cowan   cowan@ccil.org   http://ccil.org/~cowan
I must confess that I have very little notion of what [s. 4 of the British
Trade Marks Act, 1938] is intended to convey, and particularly the sentence
of 253 words, as I make them, which constitutes sub-section 1.  I doubt if
the entire statute book could be successfully searched for a sentence of
equal length which is of more fuliginous obscurity. --MacKinnon LJ, 1940

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