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Re: [bpfk] official cmavo form





On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 8:32 PM, And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com> wrote:

On 20 Oct 2014 22:43, "Jorge Llambías" <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
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> There's no special need to realize /Cia/ as one syllable, but it must be counted as one syllable for penultimate stress rule purposes.

How come? Is it simply that because word-segmentation is sensitive to stress, and stress is sensitive to syllabicity, varisyllabicity risks undermining the consistency of the word-segmentation rules? If so, the stress or word-segmentation rules can be reformulated so that VV counts as a single metrical unit rather than a sequence of two.

Yes. 

> Formulating the rule without mentioning syllables would be more complicated.

It's not yet clear to me that that is so, but that could be because I don't know the rule.


Maybe not terribly more complicated, but at least somewhat more complicated. y-syllables are already exceptions to penultimate stress, as are consonantal syllables and buffer-vowel syllables, so this would be just one more exception.
 

> It also has to be distinguished from "ciia"

How come? Is "ciia" licit? Is it licit even if "cia" isn't?

Yes, there's no constraint against vowel i being followed by glide i.

> "a'ua" is currently not allowed by camxes, but "a'uua" is (it's two words)

Ah. So the two-word version needn't be "a'u.ua"? I had been thinking that all words must begin with a consonant.


Since it causes no ambiguity, camxes doesn't force a glottal stop/pause before a word that begins with a glide. But this need not happen at a word boundary: "braka'uua" is a valid fu'ivla.
 

I would allow "a'ua" (assuming I was not allowed to kill /'/), disallow "uu", and have all words begin with a consonant, but if "a'uua" must be a variant of "a'u.ua" then I see why "a'ua" must be forbidden.


Yes, it should be one or the other, but not both.

mu'o mi'e xorxes
 

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