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Re: [bpfk] official cmavo form
Jorge Llambías, On 21/10/2014 00:56:
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 8:32 PM, And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com <mailto:and.rosta@gmail.com>> wrote:
On 20 Oct 2014 22:43, "Jorge Llambías" <jjllambias@gmail.com <mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com>> wrote:
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> There's no special need to realize /Cia/ as one syllable, but it must be counted as one syllable for penultimate stress rule purposes.
How come? Is it simply that because word-segmentation is sensitive to stress, and stress is sensitive to syllabicity, varisyllabicity risks undermining the consistency of the word-segmentation rules? If so, the stress or word-segmentation rules can be reformulated so that VV counts as a single metrical unit rather than a sequence of two.
Yes.
> Formulating the rule without mentioning syllables would be more complicated.
It's not yet clear to me that that is so, but that could be because I don't know the rule.
Maybe not terribly more complicated, but at least somewhat more complicated. y-syllables are already exceptions to penultimate stress, as are consonantal syllables and buffer-vowel syllables, so this would be just one more exception.
It sounds like there are all these exceptions because the rule is wrongly formulated. If syllables are discarded and the metrical units are instead AEIOU clusters, might the rule become exceptionless?
> It also has to be distinguished from "ciia"
How come? Is "ciia" licit? Is it licit even if "cia" isn't?
Yes, there's no constraint against vowel i being followed by glide i.
I would forbid /ii, uu/, but if you were set on allowing them, then things could be kept in order by a rule that requires every phonological string to be parsable as a CV sequence, which would rule out /cia/.
I would allow "a'ua" (assuming I was not allowed to kill /'/), disallow "uu", and have all words begin with a consonant, but if "a'uua" must be a variant of "a'u.ua <http://u.ua>" then I see why "a'ua" must be forbidden.
Yes, it should be one or the other, but not both.
And then <a'ua> could be an orthographic variant of <a'uua>, <cia> of <ciia>.
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