[lojban-beginners] Re: using {gletu} as a swear word

[mls1@rice.edu]

Quoting MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com:

>
> > > On Apr 16, 2008, at 6:19 PM, mls1@rice.edu wrote:
> > > > Supposing someone were rather irritated at someone else, and wanted
> > > > to say
> > > > something along the lines of {ko cliva gi'e gletu ko le'o}. If they
> > > > were more
> > > > irritated, they may want something a little faster to say. Would {ko
> > > > livgle ko}
> > > > carry a similar effect? What else might be stronger?
[snip]
> The whole idea of using "gletu" in this context misses the point.  The
> English phrase means "stop bothering me, go away and leave me alone", but in
> a
> vulgar sense.  "Gletu" carries none of this meaning.

I had thought part of the meaning in the English phrase was "Go away and do
something I'm almost certain you really really don't want to do. I am
commanding you to do it anyway because I'm angry at you and want you to have
severe discomfort." If that were the case, {gletu} might very well be a command
for them. For some people, it might not be, but if the vast majority of people
a speaker interacts with would not find that to be a good action to perform on
themselves, it would not be a bad assumption that some irritating person found
might also dislike it as well.

Is there some other command to fill in that function? I suppose the speaker
could tell the person to die, but that might be a little harsh. Either that, or
not harsh enough, depending on circumstances.

mu'omi'e .skaryzgik.