[lojban-beginners] Re: "tavla lo na'e te djuno", talking to the unknown, an accidental poem (with translation)

[Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>]

  From a logician's (and for that matter, a lojbanist's) standpoint,
yes, "you are X and X" would be a legitimate way to answer the the
question "you are X and __?", which means you have chosen not to
reveal any  characteristic other than X.  selckiku could have use any
number of means to attempt  to solicit an answer other than X.  cmavo
like ji'a bi'u, zu'unai , or brivla like drata for example.
      --gejyspa



On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Luke Bergen<lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> hmmm, that's true. I suppose the implication of "other than" is that "I
> acknowledge that you are loved, but what other besides that are you?". Is
> it legitimate to say that "you are X and X" which would arguably be
> different from "you are X and something other than X"?
>
> Clearly at this point I'm nitpicking and I understand that the line and
> stela's translation is a good one. Now I'm just curious about the semantic
> difference between "other than" and "and".
>
> - Luke Bergen
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Â It is... but what does "you are what and loved?" mean other than "what
>> are you other than loved?"
>> ÂÂÂÂÂÂÂ --gejyspa
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> .ui .u'a. I'm a little confused about the last line though. Why do you
>>> translate {gi'e} as "other than"? I thought that {gi'e} was an afterthought
>>> "and"?
>>>
>>> - Luke Bergen
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 4:32 AM, Stela Selckiku <selckiku@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> mi'e la stela selckiku
>>>> I'm the Lock Key-Opened.
>>>>
>>>> doi na'e te djuno do mo .i do mo
>>>> To the Unknown, who are you? ÂWho are you?
>>>>
>>>> .i do mo ca le nu cerni cikna
>>>> Who are you when you morning wake?
>>>>
>>>> .i do mo ca le nu nicte sipna
>>>> Who are you when you nighttime sleep?
>>>>
>>>> .i do mo doi na'e te djuno do'u
>>>> What do you do, O Unknown,
>>>>
>>>> gi'e se prami
>>>> Other than be loved?
>>>>
>>>> mu'o
>>>> Over.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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