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[lojban-beginners] Re: let us



Now that I think about it, how can one command ones self to do something?  One can express intention, determination to do a thing, or desire (all of which are expressible through attitudinals), but what would it mean to express the imperative {ko} to ones self?

Furthermore, {do} means "the listener" not necessarily "you over there".  So could {ko klama} mean "let's go" if context makes sense that I'm talking about "us"?  For instance: {mi'o nitcu lo ka zvati vu .i ko klama}.  Given this context, couldn't {ko klama} mean what we typically mean when we say "let's go"?

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Squark Rabinovich <top.squark@gmail.com> wrote:
It's my personal point of view, but I don't think lojban should try to be "culturally neutral" from the point of view of grammar, in the sense of not having grammar more similar to one existing language or another. The grammar of lojban should have nothing to do with the grammar of natural languages. Instead, it should strive to be logical, efficient and precise in the _expression_ of meaning. If if turns out similar to one or another natural language in certain aspects, that's merely an unimportant coincidence. "let's" is not expressed as a pronoun in any of the 3 languages I speak. Neither is regular imperative. However, in lojban imperative is expressed by a sumti cmavo which is logical, simple and allows for easy _expression_ of very generic imperative sentences. If so, why shouldn't "let's" be the same?


On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Ivo Doko <ivo.doko@gmail.com> wrote:
2009/9/9 Squark Rabinovich <top.squark@gmail.com>:
> The fact it is so in certain natural languages doesn't mean we should do it
> this way in lojban !

Well how *should* we do it? Lojban is supposed to be culturally
neutral, but it seems that if we decide on saying "let's <VERB>"
either as a first-person plural imperative of the <VERB> or as
something else it's going to end up being culturally biased. To me the
concept that "let's <VERB>" is an imperative form seems completely
natural, but it may be only because that's how it is in my native
language.