On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Remo Dentato
<rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 11:32 PM, Jonathan Jones
<eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Remo Dentato
<rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:
2012/3/3 Felipe Gonçalves Assis <felipeg.assis@gmail.com>:
> I suggest starting with
>
> 2. mi me la .clalis.
Why not simply {mi'e la .clalis} ?
No second- or third-person equivalent to mi'e exists in Lojban currently.
I don't see how this is relevant, {mi'e xxx} is the most common way to introduce oneself and I think it should be thought early.
taught, not thought, I assume.
Panel 2 is "go bekyam 'ceqlizo'." - My name is Ceqli
Panel 4 is "da bekyam 'djanzo'." - His name is Jon.
mi se cmene zo.clalis.
ko'a se cmene zo.djan.
> 3. ta me la .djan.
This seems a good place to assign {ko'a} -> 3. ta goi ko'a me la .djan.
No, a good place to assign ko'a is in panel #2:
You mean, you want to assign ko'a to clalis? She's the only one in panel 2.
Excuse me. I meant panel 3.
This doesn't mean "this is jan", it simply assigns {ko'a} to {la .djan.} without asserting anything else.
Yes. We are saying that ko'a and the name Jon refer to the same entity, established by the context of her pointing at someone in particular.
4.would not know about the relationship between {selme'e} and {cmene},
they would just guess it means "is named".
This would avoid using {se}, I agree it's too early, the nintandi
Um, except for the missing "used by namer x3", that IS what {se cmene} means. I don't see the problem.
{selme'e} and {se cmene} are exactly the same, I'm arguing that using the latter is more confusing for nintadni.
I would think the link between {se cmene} and {cmene} would be more readily apparent than the link between {selcme} and {cmene}.
Also, there's no arguing allowed on the Beginner list. If you want to debate, post your argument to the main list.
lovu what? gadri (lo) convert selbri into sumti.
right, I wrote that in a hurry. It's another reason I stand for using {vuku}.