Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: my first translation

[".arpis." <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com>]

From what I understand "plural" is an approximation of what it means
to be a mass. Using a mass gadri shifts the emphasis to the
component-nature of the thing.

If I'm not making any sense, I blame micro-organisms and viri.

On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 4:20 PM, ianek <janek37@gmail.com> wrote:
> {lai}, {loi}, {lei} are not plural. A mass can be equally well
> composed of one component. That said, I don't quite get what masses
> are in Lojban, eg. why {lo matne} can't be a mass: http://dag.github.com/cll/6/3/
> Whether or not a mass is correct in the context of Borg, plurality is
> not implied.
>
> mu'o mi'e ianek
>
> On 10 Sie, 21:56, ".arpis." <rpglover64+jbo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I don't quite like {mi'e la borg} because it doesn't convey the
>> plurality, which I feel is important in this case; can we say {mi'e
>> lai borg}?
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Michael Turniansky
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>> <mturnian...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> >> For the first sentence, The Borg are identifying themselves by name. This
>> >> means that the gismu {cmene} is needed: "x1 is the name of x2...". Since the
>> >> name is first, in order to keep the order of the English intact we have to
>> >> flip {cmene} using {se}, i.e. {se cmene} or {selcme}. The x1 of {cmene} (or
>> >> the x2 of {selcme}) is a name, and so is a quoted word, which means we use
>> >> {zo}, at least for single word names. Finally, The Borg are announcing that
>> >> /they/ are the Borg, the x2 of {cmene}. We can use either {mi} or {mi'a},
>> >> the difference being that {mi'a} explicitly excludes the addressee(s),
>> >> whereas {mi} does not. So, we have:
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>> >> {mi'a selcme zo.borg.}
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>> >> For "We are the Borg".
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>> >   You actually don't need to do that.  "mi'e [la] borg."   works perfectly
>> > fine.  Mi'e not only serves not only to indicate the speaker, but to label
>> > them.
>> >      --gejyspa
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