[lojban-beginners] Re: my first translation

[ianek <janek37@gmail.com>]

{lai}, {loi}, {lei} are not plural. A mass can be equally well
composed of one component. That said, I don't quite get what masses
are in Lojban, eg. why {lo matne} can't be a mass: http://dag.github.com/cll/6/3/
Whether or not a mass is correct in the context of Borg, plurality is
not implied.

mu'o mi'e ianek

On 10 Sie, 21:56, ".arpis." <rpglover64+jbo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't quite like {mi'e la borg} because it doesn't convey the
> plurality, which I feel is important in this case; can we say {mi'e
> lai borg}?
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> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Michael Turniansky
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> <mturnian...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> For the first sentence, The Borg are identifying themselves by name. This
> >> means that the gismu {cmene} is needed: "x1 is the name of x2...". Since the
> >> name is first, in order to keep the order of the English intact we have to
> >> flip {cmene} using {se}, i.e. {se cmene} or {selcme}. The x1 of {cmene} (or
> >> the x2 of {selcme}) is a name, and so is a quoted word, which means we use
> >> {zo}, at least for single word names. Finally, The Borg are announcing that
> >> /they/ are the Borg, the x2 of {cmene}. We can use either {mi} or {mi'a},
> >> the difference being that {mi'a} explicitly excludes the addressee(s),
> >> whereas {mi} does not. So, we have:
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> >> {mi'a selcme zo.borg.}
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> >> For "We are the Borg".
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> >   You actually don't need to do that.  "mi'e [la] borg."   works perfectly
> > fine.  Mi'e not only serves not only to indicate the speaker, but to label
> > them.
> >      --gejyspa
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