Re: [lojban-beginners]

[Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>]

On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:47 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:

You're not suggesting that the same rule applies to {-me'a}, right?

Basically, yes.

Ok, but if (following the {-gau} pattern)
    {ko'a rodme'a ko'e ko'i ko'o ko'u fo'a}
means
    {ko'a mleca lo su'u ko'e broda ko'i k'o' ko'u fo'a}

I fail to understand how something may be less than an abstraction. The problem is that mleca2 is the term of comparison.

Yes, in the case of rodme'a, it would be {mleca fi lo [ka/ni] broda}, hence the need for minor adjustments depending on the actual gismu in use.

The "minor adjustment" being, obviously, that the place in brode that is defined as requiring an abstraction, is the the broda abstraction goes.

Also, the reason why all but the first sumti in -gau jvajvo are sucked into the abstraction is because gasnu only has two places: the agent, and the thing caused by the agent. -bo'e arguments are always filled before rod- arguments.
 

In the list I made I try to accound for the difference in sumti places. Writing down the gloss in Lojban makes clear how each one shouldbe used

Maybe those changes in my list are the "adjustments" you mentioned?

remo

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