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Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: APE: Lojban haiku



On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:
what exactly is the difference between difficult to imagine and the imagining being difficult?

Firstly, "zo'e xanri fu'inai" doesn't mean "zo'e is difficult to imagine", nor does it mean "imagining zo'e is difficult". What it means is "zo'e is imagined (by something) (, and the attitude I have about that is 'difficult')."

"zo'e xanri narfrili" means "zo'e is imagined type-of difficult", and does mean "zo'e is difficult to imagine" and "imagining zo'e is difficult".

This is rather difficult to explain because English doesn't have a word that means the same thing fu'i means. fu'i doesn't mean that something is easy or hard (fu'inai), it means that person who is speaking has the attitude of easy or hard.

This is why I used a UI we actually have a word for in English: happiness.

"do gleki" means "You're happy". "do gleki.ui" means "You're happy (, and the attitude I have about that is 'happy')." Or, in other words, "I'm happy that you're happy."
 

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On Jan 12, 2013, at 5:05 AM, Ross Ogilvie <ross@rossogilvie.id.au> wrote:

It's more about the sentence structure and assertion. When you say "difficult to imagine", the main assertion is about the difficulty. In the sentence {lo si'o ciska lo ro fa'oma'o cu xanri} the main assertion (the selbri) is about imagining (xanri). Adding fu'inai after xanri is like huffing to indicate that you find the imaging is difficult.

mu'o mi'e ros

On 12 January 2013 09:24, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:
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