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> > On 28 August 2011 05:52, Luke Bergen <
lukeaber...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> ugh. The way that I pronounced "r" in that audio had absolutely ZERO "e"
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> >> it (at least to my ears). Arbitrarily dropping vowels in
> >> word pronunciation just feels so friggin' unlojbanic that I'm a little
> >> offput right now.
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> > I take your audio as follows:
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> > er [ɛ(ː)r]
> > eir [eɪr]
> > r [ɚː]
> > lrfu [lərfu]
> > cirlrfu [ʃɪrlərfu]
> > cirlerfu [ʃɪrlɛrfu]
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> > Samples for each IPA symbol:
http://www.yorku.ca/earmstro/ipa/
> > (Note that, for consonants, he is adding an actual vowel to
> > illustrate different positional realizations, such that "r" --> [ra:]
> > & [ara:] & [a:r] )
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> > I don't hear /e/ -- [e] or [ɛ] -- in your "r", but it sounds more like
> > a vowel than a consonant. And it's certainly not the [r] that you are
> > using for the other words.
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> > To be more hair-splitting as pertains to the "er/eir" issue: I hear,
> > if I try, a slight lengthening of the /e/ in your "er", becoming
> > closer to the length of "eir", but the vowels themselves seem still
> > distinguishable in the way you pronounce them.
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> > mu'o
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