Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Possession with "le le ..."

[Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>]

Oh wait a minute.  Now that I think of it.  If you read {cu} as "start terminating things until you get to a place where a selbri is acceptable then stop" then the following is acceptable:  lo lo gerku cu denci.  We reach the {cu} and say "ok, start terminating things until we get to a place where a selbri makes sense" -> lo lo gerku ku denci.

This operation makes sense in every other place where {cu} is known and loved.

{lo nu lo gerku cu batci cu cinri}, the second {cu} stands in for {keiku}

{lu lo plise cu xamgu cu se cusku}, the second {cu} stands in for {li'u}

{lo gerku poi lo mripre cu se batci cu blabi}, the second {cu} stands in for {ku'o}

{lo lo gerku cu denci}, why can't the {cu} here stand in place of {ku} yielding {lo lo gerku ku denci}

On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Ben Foppa <eatingstaples@gmail.com> wrote:

Excellent, I understand now - thank you!

On Apr 28, 11:25 am, Jameson Orndorff <jtorndo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The purpose of {cu} is to mark the next construct as the selbri of a
> main-level bridi. This word will terminate everything it needs to to get you
> to a main-level selbri.
>
> The 'construct' you are working for is a terminator - {ku}. {ku} terminates
> LE, LA, and a few other things, and will let you terminate the 'inner'
> sumti.
>
> lo lo ninmu klama ku tamne
>
> mi'e .kribacr. mu'o
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeaber...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I think the question though is, if {cu} means "separate selbri from
> > preceding sumti" then, why can't you do {le le ninmu cu klama} where this is
> > interpreted as: (something that goes in x1 of: ( something that goes in x1
> > of: (ninmu <cu so break out of this sumti and start talking about a selbri>)
> > comes).
>
> > Ok, I don't know how to describe that better.  Basically, if {cu} says "ok,
> > we're done with this sumti, now do a selbri" but that itself is happening
> > inside a LE, then why can't the following selbri be converted by the outer
> > LE?
>
> > On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 11:06 AM, .alyn.post. <

> > alyn.p...@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:
>
> >> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 07:49:21AM -0700, Ben Foppa wrote:
> >> > Lojban for Beginners says "...consider how you would say le tamne pe
> >> > le ninmu klama 'the woman traveller's cousin' with this kind of
> >> > nesting. You could flip it around as le le ninmu klama tamne — but
> >> > then, how can you tell where the 'possessor' ends and where the
> >> > 'possessee' begins?"
>
> >> > I wonder why a construct like "le le ninmu klama cu tamne" wouldn't
> >> > work, to separate the argument to the first "le" (which is "ninmu
> >> > klama"), from the argument to the second "le" (which is "tamne"). Is
> >> > the purpose of "cu" not simply to separate two selbri when they are
> >> > consecutive arguments, or when one is the argument to another?
>
> >> You can use {ku} to terminate the inner {le}:
>
> >>  le le ninmu klama ku tamne
>
> >> -alyn
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