Re: [lojban-beginners] .i BAI bo

[Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>]

If it makes it any easier to remember, I was always confused by this until I started thinking of {bo} differently

When I see {A .iXbo B} think of the X as describing how B relates to A.  So {A .ibabo B} is "B is ba to A".  And {A .imu'ibo B} is "B is mu'i to A".

To me it seems like {.iXbo} is consistent between PU and BAI and it's the forms {broda mu'i lo nu brode} and {broda ba lo nu brode} that are being inconsistent with each other.  {A ba lo nu B} is "A after B" but {A mu'i lo nu B} is "A because of B".

With BAI it seems like the selbri is static and we're just adding more information to it "mi citka (oh and by the way the motivation for such was...) mu'i lo nu mi xagji".  But PU reaches back and modifies the information about the selbri "mi citka (oh but wait, I did that citka-ing AFTER...) ba lo nu mi xagji".

2010/9/4 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>

On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Stela Selckiku <selckiku@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Do you think we should expect to ever see this changed?

It seems unlikely.

> It seems to
> me like ".i BAI bo" is by far the more common case, I don't remember
> seeing ".i PU bo" used.  Is it possible we could flip the ".i PU bo"
> case around so things make sense, or are there lots of texts I'm
> forgetting about that would break?

Google +ibabo +cu to get an idea.

> If I start using either of those I'm only going to use ".i BAI bo",
> since that seems to be in common use and there's no way we can
> actually use both.  So I guess if the rule doesn't change then I'm
> just going to consider ".i PU bo" as worthless and dead.  Does that
> make sense?

It makes sense. You can always use ".i ba ku" instead of ".i ba bo"
with basically the same meaning.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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