[lojban-beginners] Re: mi kakne lo bajra

[Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo.com>]

On Oct 29, 10:45 am, Oren <get.o...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It doesn't seem right to me that there are all of these implicit types
> associated with certain gismu, without my knowledge.

1. It's written out in the definition very plainly.
djuno - x1 knows fact(s) x2 (du'u) about subject x3 by epistemology
x4.

2. It's almost common sense. We're not trying to sneak something past
you.
{.i mi djuno lo bajra} means something like "I know that a runner."
{.i mi djuno lo du'u do bajra} means something like "I know that you
run."

One of these doesn't make sense.

Some of them (like {fanza} for example) may not be too obvious due to
natural language bias, which is why we -do- have them explicitly laid
out, but common sense should still be applied. You can't want an
apple, you can want to -eat- an apple. You can't be annoyed by
somebody, you can be annoyed by something that somebody does.

> I feel like,
> especially for learners of lojban, these virtual "parts-of-speech"
> should be explicitly laid out, so that people don't have to question
> whether "running" is an event or an action or what have you.

It is. We should probably update the language in the definitions to
explicitly say (ka/nu/za'i) instead of (property/event/state), but
they already do have these explicitly stated in the definitions.

> So... If anyone wants to help, I'm going to do this and integrate it
> into the Chinese translation for the gismu list I'm doing.

I don't speak a bit of Chinese.

I do, however, appreciate your input and concern. I will document this
in the appropriate BPFK section and it will be addressed when all
other issues are as well. The idea behind these is explicitly laid out
very early on in the teaching model that we're trying to perfect, so
it will definitely be made more clear in future documents.

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