On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Luke Bergen <
lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Odd, I grew up (and presumably acquired by accent) from
> eastern Pennsylvania. Not all THAT close to Canada. I only do the "ai"
> part of the raising so my "about the house" is not subject to this raising
> effect.
> Now I'm kind of curious about what parts of the country see this affect.
> If anybody is willing to help tickle my curiosity, please reply with your
> general location and if you say "rider" and "writer" identically.
>
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Oren <
get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Aha. Wikipedia speaks, I am in fact just a very sheltered freak:
>>
>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_English_regional_phonology#Canadian_raising
>> "the General American pronunciations of rider and writer are identical
>> ([ɹaɪɾɚ]), those American English speakers whose dialects include either the
>> full or restricted Canadian raising will pronounce them
>> as [ɹaɪɾɚ] and [ɹəɪɾɚ], respectively. Canadian raising is quite strong in
>> most of Ontario and the Maritimes as well as in the Prairies. It is receding
>> in British Columbia, and many of these speakers do not raise /aɪ/ before
>> voiceless consonants."
>>
>> Apparently Syracuse, New York qualifies as sufficiently Canadian.
>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:11, MorphemeAddict <
lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> My Midwest USA accent has no difference TTBOMK between the vowels of
>>> "bold" and "so". Nor are they different in "pie" and "pipe", as a later post
>>> asserts.
>>>
>>> stevo
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Luke Bergen <
lukeabergen@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Why exactly is this bad, timos? The cll does it because how else can we
>>>> explain to nintadni that "o" says english "bold" not "so"?
>>>>
>>>> I find that now that I have a pretty good grasp of lojban
>>>> pronounciation, I have a new tool to help me better communicate differences
>>>> of accent.
>>>>
>>>> Ideally I should just get off my lazy arse and learn IPA though :(
>>>>
>>>> i.e. lojban vowels don't help me to describe the difference in
>>>> pronounciation of "b[o]ston".
>>>>
>>>> But the difference between english "pie" and "pipe" is most certainly
>>>> distinguishable using lojban vowels (the difference being "pai" vs and
>>>> "pyip"). Just try saying "pie" in english followed quickly by the "p" sound
>>>> and you will hear that it sounds funny and distinctly not like "pipe"
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 22, 2011 1:29 PM, "Timo Paulssen"
>>>> <
timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de> wrote:
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