[lojban-beginners] Re: ok, lambda/currying-geeks needed (was Re: Re: "Once More")

[Sunnan <sunnan@handgranat.org>]

On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 15:53 -0300, Jorge Llambías wrote:
> On 12/14/05, Sunnan <sunnan@handgranat.org> wrote:
> > BTW, xorxes, are su'i and vu'u what Haskell programmers would call
> > "curried"?
> 
> What would you do with them if they were? {li su'i pa} is grammatical,
> but I would take it to be just {li pa}. I don't remember this ever being
> dealt with however.

Robin suggests:
"Not if you want to use it in front of tenses.  The idea would be to
have PA that mean "plus one" and "minus one", analogous to da'a or
za'u, with the current value as the default."

Maybe these tense-prefixing PA could be constructed from su'i pa with
the proper currying/lambda-wrapping method?

> > I still haven't learned the mekso system but that's something I really
> > want to do.
> 
> I don't like lojban mekso very much, I try to avoid them as much as
> possible.

I've also heard nothing but bad about the mekso system. I've hardly
looked at it so I don't have an opinion of my own yet.

I do totally dislike Lojbans attitudinal system[1] so I know that Lojban
isn't perfect. But it would be a shame if the mekso system was also bad.
The mekso system is one of my major reasons for learning Lojban (that
and writing explicit but non-sexist (and hopefully PC) erotica with no
characters having specified genders, ahahahahaha).

mi'e snan

[1]:
One problem with the attitudinal system is that it's based on opposing
axes, like love being an opposite of hate.
Another is that it's constructed from a list of English emotions -- one
of the first things I wanted to write/say was an attitudinal to replace
"the tone of voice you have when revealing a great secret", and of
course, non exists. I've seen complaints by others that there's also no
simple attitudinal for non-English concepts like shadenfreude or ennui
and I agree with this problem. It's so limited, static, frozen. Here's
more:
Nausea, isolation (scratch this one, I guess o'enai does the job),
suspicion, jealousy, righteousness, and more?
Some of these may exist but it's not an easy system to find my way
around, it's more like a static list of emotions coupled with negations
and (somewhat arbitrary) oppositions.
Thirdly, and related to both preceding problems -- it's so distinct from
regular lojban, it feels like it's painted on or glued on. It's not
based on gismu or selbri or anything else.