Re: [lojban-beginners] Proposed change to smart.fm items

2010/5/7 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>

On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I don't agree. When I see a definition like "x1 understands/comprehends
> fact/truth x2 (du'u) about subject x3; x1 understands (fi) x3, I take it to
> mean that
> {zo'e jimpe zo'e zo'e} means "x1 understands/comprehends fact/truth x2
> (du'u) about subject x3"
> {zo'e jimpe fi zo'e} means " "x1 understands (fi) x3"

You can ask lojbab, who wrote the definition. I'm pretty sure he did
not intend for "zo'e jimpe zo'e zo'e" to mean anything different to
"zo'e jimpe fi zo'e".

See: http://jbotcan.org/docs/cll/c7/s7.html for how "zo'e" is supposed to work.

mi djuno lodu'u te pilno ku zo zo'e .ije mi djuno lodu'u zo zo'e drata zo zi'o

> I don't limit this to just {jimpe}:
> facki "x1 discovers/finds out x2 (du'u) about subject/object x3; x1 finds
> (fi) x3 (object)"
> {zo'e facki zo'e zo'e} "x1 discovers/finds out x2 (du'u) about
> subject/object x3"
> {zo'e facki fi zo'e} "x1 finds (fi) x3 (object)"

But "facki fi da" does not mean "tolcri da".

When the tomb of Tutankamen was discovered, I would call that {ko'a facki fi ko'e}, regardless of whether {ko'a tolcri ko'e} is true.

> frati "x1 reacts/responds/answers with action x2 to stimulus x3 under
> conditions x4; x1 is responsive"
> {zo'e frati zo'e zo'e zo'e} "x1 reacts/responds/answers with action x2 to
> stimulus x3 under conditions x4"
> {zo'e frati} "x1 is responsive"

What's the differnce between responding and being responsive?

Responding is an event. Being responsive is a property.

> fulta "x1 (passive) floats on/in fluid (gas/liquid) x2; x1 is buoyant"
> {zo'e fulta zo'e} "x1 (passive) floats on/in fluid (gas/liquid) x2"
> {zo'e fulta} "x1 is buoyant"

What's the difference between floating and being buoyant? Are you
thinking of a ca'a/ka'e distinction? It is not related to the presence
or absence of an explicit x2.

Floating is an event. Being buoyant is a property.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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