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Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: lo do ckiku ma zvati



I see what you're saying.  If I were learning french because I was going to france I'd want to know how to say "where is the bathroom" and "how much is that" etc...

But if I was learning because I wanted to learn the actual language and not "just get by" then I'd want to learn the "real thing" with all the messy grammar attached.

Maybe it's just my software background but nothing seems more natural to me than "<opening clause>some stuff <nested clause> other stuff </nested clause> </opening clause>".  And leaving off terminators in teaching just seems sloppy and possibly an expensive lesson down the line for the learner.  All in the name of brevity.

On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 03:24:10PM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote:
> Yes, {cu} is far more common than {ku} but the point is that it's
> easier to learn that "you sometimes don't need {ku} and here's a
> handy word {cu}" than "you mostly just need to use {cu}.... well,
> unless you have an abstraction followed by... well I guess you
> never really NEED it, but it's useful when you would have
> otherwise had a whole bunch of terminators"
>
> Better to teach the rule and then show shortcuts than to teach
> shortcuts as the rule.

If that was all it was, I would agree, but you also need to teach
the requirement for {vau} and {kei} and {ku'o} and how to order them
and on and on and on.

Or you could just say "put {cu} in front of all your selbri.  you
don't know how to talk about more than one event or relative clause
per sentence yet", and that will give a beginner the abillity to say
90% of normal "Where is the bathroom?" sentences, and you're done.

-Robin

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