Re: [lojban] Re: citri lo glibau

[Adam COOPER <adamgarrigus@gmail.com>]

On 10/28/05, Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:

Hmm... In the context, reasons are being provided for why English
lost many inflections. Presumably the fact that many speakers were
conquered & uneducated & Welsh & peasants is said to have
contributed to this. Does the ordering and grouping have anything
to do with the fact that these words are noun, pure adjective,
verbal adjectives in English? Would saying {tercange je natmrkamri
je tolselctu je se sadgunta} for example give a very different impression?
Are "essential" properties more likely to appear as tertau and
"accidental" ones as seltau?

Well, I was going to post about replacing {ri'a} with {se ja'e}

{ .i ku'i lo nunvlastika cu ze'u lujyjdika .i ri'a bo tu'e pa mai pi so'i lo selbau cu ke se sadgunta je tolselctu ke'e natmrkamri tercange }

because the reasons are a little more complicated than that. An uneducated, illiterate community that suddenly begins to speak a foreign language tends to creolize/pidginize/simplify it. I think the evolution of the Romance languages from Latin is an example of this phenomenon as well. So really I've performed a series of conceptual substitutions:

uneducated, illiterate -> tolselctu je tercange
suddenly -> se sadgunta
foreign -> natmrkamri

I figured that a Lojban speaker interested in language
history (the intended audience of the essay) would be able to take the
implied logical steps. I could always flesh it out, I suppose.

As for tanru in general -- yeah, what is the distinction between say {ta blanu bolci} {ta bolci blanu} {ta bolci je blanu} ?

mu'o mi'e ???????????