I don't consider stage 1 and stage 2 borrowings to be fu'ivla, because to me fu'ivla means "single brivla that is based on a borrowing from another language". How do other people feel about this? -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/