[lojban] Re: le gusta co minde mutce

[tijlan <picos.picos@gmail.com>]

2008/11/2 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 12:35 PM, tijlan <picos.picos@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Here's my first attempt at a short story translation:
>>
>> http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=le+gusta+co+minde+mutce&bl=n&saved_msg=y
>
> ua mutce xamgu .i xu do ponjo

ki'e .i na go'e .i mi ponbau kakne seja'e lo nu ze'u xabju la .tokion.
ca lo citycedra

.i mi gleki lo nu lo mi nuntadni be la .lojban. cu se vanbi lo tai
crepre doi .xorxes.



>>> .i no sai zo'e ga'i vi cipni jonai vlilydanlu vau .oi
>
> I think you want "ja" rather than "jonai" there.

My thought was: can a little bird (which was what I meant by {cipni})
be also a beast?



>>> da'i lo nu piso'o dantyfriti fi lo jirnydza ke pelxu betfymlana zo'u
>
> "piso'o dantyfriti" is a sumti. Maybe "piso'omei dantyfriti"?

My mistake. By {piso'o} I intended to mean "some of the bullets". I
was ambitiously looking for a way to say it in a tense-like form.

Supposing {piso'omei dantyfriti} is a tanru, I think I'll go with that.



>>> .i mi ja'eda'i lo mu'e tolcikna binxo cu nu citka djica
>
> "nu citka kei djica"?

I knew about the convention, but I wasn't clear about why NU's scope
was considered that long. If the left-grouping applies to NU too,
shouldn't {nu citka} without the delimiter be a separate seltau for
{djica}?



>>> .i ko'a mu'e frumu
>
> "ko'a co'i frumu", or "mu'e ko'a frumu".

Is {mu'e frumu} not a valid selbri?



>>> lu go'i .ia .i ni'iku .uaru'e pleji vi ti xu ca lo nu cliva li'u
>
> Why were they expecting to pay?

They weren't, before they entered the room. My interpretation is: Now
that they are asked to leave their wallets before they sit at the
table, ko'a has started re-questioning the possibility of payment. And
ko'e seconds that guess. This shared guesswork eventually solidifies.
Yet perhaps {go'i la'a} sounds a bit too strong than it should be
(should be closer to "It seems so"). After all, they are hungry to the
point where they feel they are about to mentally fail. Their brains
not working right can be one apologetic ;)



>>> .i ku'i ba'e caroi le reldza cu terpa gi'e mu'e simxu catlu le flira noi ba'o mutce co se gacri loi kruji
>
> "caroi" is not grammatical.  I use "ca lo ca krefu" for "this time".

I was quite unsure about {caroi} myself. {ca lo ca krefu} looks a bit
wordy but I like the idea. Will be fixed. Thank you.



mu'o mi'e tijlan


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