On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Jorge Llambías
<jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Michael Turniansky
<
mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >> "su'o da broda naku gi'e brode"
>
> Okay, so now I'm getting further and further confused about your rule.
That's not "my" rule. The rules for "naku" are, as far as I know, not
in the least controversial. The only rule about which there is
disagreement is na+selbri, and that one does not appear in the above
example.
> I
> thought I understood it, based on your claim that it was straightforward and
> easy to apply. Now naku is working (scoping) backward (leftward)?
There is no other operator there for naku to have scope over. It is
the last operator in its bridi.
Okay, I agree that ko'a broda naku is the same as ko'a broda (if you move it leftwards, there is no funky qualifier or connective flipping to do (I've never seen it at the end of a bridi, but there is no reason why it couldn't be)).
> And yet,
> if you have it before the broda, you say that it applies to both broda and
> brode?
It's not me who says that. That's the standard, official
interpretation. The terms in front of connected bridi-tails are common
terms.
So if I understand you correctly, since naku is a term, on the same type of level as, but distinct from, a sumti, it behaves the same as a sumti. It isn't in any way part of the selbri, whereas na is part of the selbri. Is my understanding now accurate? Assuming so, what you are then saying is despite the fact that ko'a na broda and ko'a naku broda are superficially similar, and (in your way of treating na) in meaning identical, they grammatically are not the same. Therefore, although when shifting naku leftward from ko'a broda naku, we can say ko'a naku broda, we can't do the same when it's part of ko'a broda naku gi'e brode. It seems odd to me in the same way as your comparison of "su'o da na broda" and "su'o da ge na broda gi na broda" seemed odd to you (under my interpretation of na), but I concede that it is indeed so.
Have I now gotten down naku?