Re: [lojban] Re: shifting in tanru

[Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>]

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> actually, after reading a bit more closely.  xorxes, how do you get that only the first sumti goes into the selbri?  I read:
>  Any sumti which precede a selbri with an inverted tanru fill the places of the selbri (i.e., the places of the tertau) in the ordinary way. In Example 8.4, ``mi'' fills the x1 place of ``troci co klama'', which is the x1 place of ``troci''. The other places of the selbri remain unfilled. The trailing sumti ``le zarci'' and ``le zdani'' do not occupy selbri places, despite appearances.
> to mean that {ko'a ko'e broda brode ko'i} to mean that ko'a AND ko'e BOTH go into broda and ko'i goes into x2 of brode.

  Notice what the example quoted said, that example 8.4 ("mi troci co klama le zarci le zdani")
is  the same as example 8.3:

> 8.3)  mi klama be le zarci bei le zdani be'o
>         troci
>     I am-a-(goer to the market from the house)
>         type-of trier.
>     I try to go to the market from the house.

  In other words, the le zarci and le zdani are bound to the klama as if by be and bei, despite those cmavo  not appearing.  They are not considered to be filling places in the bridi, whose relationship is the tanru "troci co klama" (which I feel is counterintuitive, btw).  Remember also that a tanru is simply the modified version of the tertau.  In other words, a cmalu gerku is a gerku.  Period.  It just happens to be a small one So whether you put arguments before or after "cmalu gerku" they are the places of gerku, not of cmalu (unless they are lined to cmalu explicitly with internal be/bei/be'o).  Similarly, this is exactly the same as a "gerku co cmalu".  This is a type of gerku, not smalu.  The only difference is that arguments AFTER are considered to be be/bei'd to the "cmalu".

                --gejyspa