Re: [lojban] Re: Fw: bridi tail negation

Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Fw: bridi tail negation

From: Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>

Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 19:25:09 -0500

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2010/3/4 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>

2010/3/4 Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>:

> haha, right, I always forget the {cu}. I've read somewhere or other in the
> CLL that changing places around can be used to change the emphasis of a
> bridi much like saying "the store was gone to by mi" changes the emphasis to
> the store instead of "I went to the store". Maybe he was emphasizing the
> event of {zanfri} instead of the experiencer.

Yes, so the two options are:

na'e se zanfri fa lo nu zutse ne'i le ricyzda

or:

na'e zanfri lo nu zutse ne'i la ricyzda

But Lindar suggested:

na'e se zanfri lo nu zutse ne'i le ricyzda

which puts the event in the place of the experiencer instead of the
place of the experience.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

>
> 2010/3/4 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>
>>
>> 2010/3/4 Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>:
>> > But what if he wanted to emphasize the x2 place? Like {lo zarci se
>> > klama
>> > mi} instead of {mi klama lo zarci}?
>>
>> (You do need "cu" in front of "se klama".)
>>
>> I'm not sure I understand your question,
>>
>> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>>
>> > 2010/3/4 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Lindar Greenwood
>> >> <lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> ?.i na'e se zanfri fa lonu zutse ne'i le ricyzda gi'e na tavla}?
>> >> >
>> >> > I have nothing helpful to contribute other than pointing out that you
>> >> > didn't need to explicitly mark {fa} if you used {se}.
>> >> > It isn't wrong, it's just redundant.
>> >>
>> >> Actually, he wouldn't need "fa" if he hadn't used "se". With "se", he
>> >> does need "fa" because he sent the place he wants to fill, originally
>> >> x2, to x1.
>> >>
>> >> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>> >>
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