Re: [lojban] Re: cusku - say or express?

[Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>]

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> The keyword of bacru is "utter", because "orgle-borgle", "squeak", and other
> such onomatopeia are all utterances. A creaky door is a valid {lo bacru},
> but it is not a valid {lo cusku}. I think the salient difference is that {lo
> se cusku} is something imparting meaning, whereas {lo se bacru} is merely
> some sort of noise.
>

  No, "savru" is a noise. (from the point of view of the observer).
Sance is a sound from a source.  It is true the bacru is a not a
communication, because there is no intended audience.  But that does
NOT necessarily mean that the se bacru is not an intelligent
utterance.  If I say "To be or not to be" in the bathroom in the dead
of night, that's still a bacru, but not a cusku.  Not all se bacru are
se cusku, not all se cusku are se bacru.  But some are both.  The sets
are not disjoint.

             --gejyspa