Re: [lojban] la .alis.

[Michael Everson <michael.everson@gmail.com>]

On 28 Mar 2010, at 20:30, Robin Lee Powell wrote:

>> Jonathan wrote {la.parIs.} but it would seem to me to be unlikely that this represents [laʔpaˈrisʔ] with a glottal stop before the [p] and after the [s]. 
> 
> Actually, that's *exactly* what it represents.
> 
> Having learned a little bit about what our typograhpic conventions actually *mean* might result in less hostility.

I have read and understood the relevant sections in What is Lojban? (which John Cowan gave me in 2003) as well as http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter3.html

A "pause" is not the same thing as a "glottal stop", and both [ʔp] and final [sʔ] are quite unlikely segments; the first would tend towards becoming a glottalized [p’] and the second... well, is really like following [s] with a cough, which I don't think is the description you intend. Is it?

Of course [laʔ pa] is not particularly unusual. I might point out that I also speak Danish (not as a native) and I'm pretty good with unusual [ʔ] placement.

I don't feel in the least bit hostile. :-)

Michael

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