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Re: [lojban] la .alis.

On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 08:52:28PM +0100, Michael Everson wrote:
> On 28 Mar 2010, at 20:30, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> 
> >> Jonathan wrote {la.parIs.} but it would seem to me to be
> >> unlikely that this represents [laʔpaˈrisʔ] with a glottal stop
> >> before the [p] and after the [s]. 
> > 
> > Actually, that's *exactly* what it represents.
> > 
> > Having learned a little bit about what our typograhpic
> > conventions actually *mean* might result in less hostility.
> 
> I have read and understood the relevant sections in What is
> Lojban? (which John Cowan gave me in 2003) as well as
> http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter3.html
> 
> A "pause" is not the same thing as a "glottal stop", and both [ʔp]
> and final [sʔ] are quite unlikely segments; the first would tend
> towards becoming a glottalized [p’] and the second... well, is
> really like following [s] with a cough, which I don't think is the
> description you intend. Is it?
> 
> Of course [laʔ pa] is not particularly unusual. I might point out
> that I also speak Danish (not as a native) and I'm pretty good
> with unusual [ʔ] placement.

My apologies; you've entirely surpassed my knowledge of formal
phonetics (or whatever this is).  All I know is that when I say "la
.parIs." I say "la", and then do what I think is a glottal stop, and
then say "parIs", and then do what I think is a glottal stop.
*shrug*

-Robin

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