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Re: [lojban] la .alis.



On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Leo Molas <leos.molas@gmail.com> wrote:
El 29/03/2010 12:10 p.m., Jonathan Jones escribió:
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Michael Everson
> <michael.everson@gmail.com <mailto:michael.everson@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     On 29 Mar 2010, at 15:31, Jonathan Jones wrote:
>
>     > On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Michael Everson
>     <michael.everson@gmail.com <mailto:michael.everson@gmail.com>> wrote:
>     >
>     >>> You want to use Gothic letters and what-not, fine. You want to
>     use special fonts, fine. Just don't mess with the standard Lojban
>     typographic conventions and we've got no problems.
>     >>
>     >> Except that the book is then a whole mess of lower-case letters
>     with no punctuation.
>     >
>     > Lojban is written in lower-case letters with no punctuation. I
>     don't see a problem.
>
>     OK. Fine. My goal is to treat Lojban not like an oddball, but as a
>     full citizen of the community of languages which enjoy fine Latin
>     typography. Perhaps you do not see this as an interesting or
>     valuable goal, but it is nevertheless the goal which I have.
>
> I don't see Lojban as being a member of the community of languages that
> use Latin typography. I don't see Lojban written in Cyrillic script as a
> member of the community of languages that use Cyrillic typography. I
> don't see Lojban written in Tengwar script as being a member of the
> community of languages that use Tengwar typography.
>
> I see Lojban as being of member of the community of languages that use
> Lojban typography, and happens to use Latin characters as it's official
> orthography. I see Lojban typography (, and bny extension, Loglan
> typography,) as cousin to the various Asain typographies, which do not
> have punctuation marks, like Lojban, do not need spaces, like Lojban,
> have words for what most languages use vocal tones and/or word order to
> indicate, like Lojban. I do not presume to say the Lojban is the same as
> Asian languages, I merely point out that Lojban has more similarities,
> in these matters, with the Asian languages, than with the European ones.
>
>
>     In my view, just pouring a whole mess of lower-case letters with no
>     punctuation into my Alice template would not result in "fine Latin
>     typography".
>
>
> Neither do I. I, unlike you, consider that a good thing. I don't
> /want/ Lojban written with "fine Latin typography".
>
>
>     Michael
>
>     --

> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>

I think this is a good point in all of this. Lojban is not written in
Latin typography; Lojban has a typogrphy that uses Latin a part of its
alphabet and a part of its punctuation, using it in another way. Lojban
uses this alphabet, to be compatible with everyone's keyboard; not with
Latin typography.
The thing is, typography and orthopgraphy are not the same thing.
Lojban uses the Latin orthography, but it does not use the Latin typography.

ty·pog·ra·phy

[tahy-pog-ruh-fee] Show IPA
–noun
1. the art or process of printing with type.
2. the work of setting and arranging types and of printing from them.
3. the general character or appearance of printed matter.
 
or·thog·ra·phy
[awr-thog-ruh-fee] Show IPA
–noun,plural-phies for 3–5.
1. the art of writing words with the proper letters, according to accepted usage; correct spelling.
2. the part of language study concerned with letters and spelling.
3. a method of spelling, as by the use of an alphabet or other system of symbols; spelling.
4. a system of such symbols: Missionaries provided the first orthography for the language.
5. an orthographic projection, or an elevation drawn by means of it.
 
mu'omi'e .leos.

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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

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