El 31/03/2010 07:13 p.m., Christopher Doty escribió: > 2010/3/31 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com > <mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com>> > > I wouldn't say it's impossible. You could have as the rule something > like code xyz becomes fu'ivla xaybzc, where a, b, and c are > functions of x, y, z such that xaybzc always results in a valid > fu'ivla. The problem is that the result would usually be hardly > anything recognizable. > >> I was trying to keep the CCV'VCV structure for all of them.... > > Even more restrictive. > > > True, but also more internally consistent. This is going to bring problems in the future, if you do them all. Besides the obvious collisions, there are going to be very similar fu'ivla (making them confusing), and, what xorxes said, some of them would be hardly recognizable. What I propose is: 1- Let the fu'ivla have another form (for example CVCCV'V). 2- Make fu'ivla type 3 (I think) with a prefix (like gug or gu'e) I'm more inclined to the last one, since with the prefix you can tell really fast if it's a country or not (since with the CCV'VCV structure, there might be some other fu'ivla with that structure). xorxes said: > My own preference is to go along the lines of: > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/experimental+cultural+gismu > > (That list covers mostly only European and South American > cultures/countries, however.) > > I don't really like creating new gismu unless I'm going to use them. > The Alice translation, for example, uses the unofficial gismu > "nuzlo", for "New Zeland", and I have used a few others like spero, > norgo, xorvo, talno. > > It's not such a good idea to invent a gismu for a language/culture > you are not at least somewhat familiar with, because you ran the risk > of creating things like "jungo" where "jonxo" might have been a lot > better. (Or things like "ketco", which I still find really weird > after all these years.) > Using experimental gismu has many many problems... 1- They are experimental (ta da! waiting my invitation to the tautology club!) 2- If we could invent all the gismu for all the countries, we'll have (how many countries exists? 400? 500?) about a 25% of the gismu in that particular area. 3- If we don't (as now) we aren't culturally neutral. 4- xorxes said CCV'VCV is restrictive... well, gismu is more restrictive. lojbab said: > h. I just came up with the right answer. Go to Google Groups and > search for "cultural gismu criteria". Most of the messages are > relevant (and of course those I wrote are most relevant %^) Just > "cultural gismu" in quotes gives others. Again, to find out the > "why" of most language design decisions, focus on stuff before 1995, > the earlier the better. > > >> Everything I have seen there makes it look like it is something >> that has been, and still is, ongoing. > > I *can* answer that. Because anyone and everyone can change the > wiki, on any given topic it is heavily weighted towards whatever the > most recent editors are thinking. If there is institutional memory > therein, it is probably in the pages that haven't been changed in > several years. > > More importantly, most LLG policy predates the wiki and the only > things that get put onto wiki pages are things that people want to > write. Thus the page on "cultural gismu" has only peoples' > criticisms of it, but doesn't have anything about the reasoning that > was used to put them into the language (which has numerous stages, > starting with work done by JCB 40-odd years ago) Well, I can't question all this yet since the rate: lojbab time in lojban --------------------- (over) leos time in lojban ... IT'S OVER *9000*!!!!!! I have to read the past discussions, but I'm particularly sure it's going to be tough to convince me :P mu'o mi'e .leos. -- My lojban journal: http://learninglojban.wordpress.com My personal blog: http://leomolas.tumblr.com
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