El 31/03/2010 09:33 p.m., Jorge Llambías escribió: > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Leo Molas <leos.molas@gmail.com> wrote: >> What I propose is: >> >> 1- Let the fu'ivla have another form (for example CVCCV'V). > > That one happens to be a lujvo form, so it can't be a fu'ivla. > > See: > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Exhaustive+list+of+short+fu'ivla+forms > for more options. > > But I don't really think it's such a good idea to be restricted to any > particular form of fu'ivla. > >> 2- Make fu'ivla type 3 (I think) with a prefix (like gug or gu'e) > > type 3 prefixes must end in a consonant: CVC-, CCVC-, or CVCC- > >> I'm more inclined to the last one, since with the prefix you can tell >> really fast if it's a country or not (since with the CCV'VCV structure, >> there might be some other fu'ivla with that structure). > > That's the advantage of type-3, The disadvantage is that they sound > more weird, less like normal lojban words, because of the forced > consonantal syllable.. Yep, they sound awful :( > >> Using experimental gismu has many many problems... >> >> 1- They are experimental (ta da! waiting my invitation to the tautology >> club!) >> 2- If we could invent all the gismu for all the countries, we'll have >> (how many countries exists? 400? 500?) about a 25% of the gismu in that >> particular area. > > Why is that a disadvantage? You will only learn the ones you use. > Whether they are gismu form or fu'ivla form it will be the same > number. ...<blink>... I see your point. I've always seen gismu as the have-to-know words. > >> 3- If we don't (as now) we aren't culturally neutral. >> 4- xorxes said CCV'VCV is restrictive... well, gismu is more restrictive. > > That's true, but on the other hand, they are the words that feel the > most Lojbanic. If the gismu "gento" had not existed when I started > learning Lojban I would have been pissed off, and I would have created > it (or maybe "xento") as soon as I felt comfortable using the > language. Heh. When I saw "gento" as a gismu I thought you were behind that... Nevertheless, the whole problem would be nº 3, the cultural neutrality (or the lack of it). We could, as you said, use the experimental gismu. There are some missing (lots of them) countries. To be culturally neutral, we should add some. If we do this, we are in danger of being slaughtered by lojbab. Of course, the experimental gismu could be added some day. But, in the meantime, creating fu'ivla would be the best (and I think only) option. mu'o mi'e .leos. -- My lojban journal: http://learninglojban.wordpress.com My personal blog: http://leomolas.tumblr.com
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