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Re: [lojban] {le} in xorlo



There's something about fractional quantifiers as well, but I am even less sure how that works: 
> 'pire lo'i gerku' is maybe halves of dogs for 'lo' but, I think, still a bunch of dogs half the original 
> size for 'loi'.

My brain just 'sploded a little.


On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 5:26 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ummm!  I think that the quantifiers behave differently for 'lo' and 'loi'  're lo ci gerku' is two of the three dogs acting individually but 're loi ci gerku' is a bunch of two, i.e., acting still together.  There's something about fractional quantifiers as well, but I am even less sure how that works: 'pire lo'i gerku' is maybe halves of dogs for 'lo' but, I think, still a bunch of dogs half the original size for 'loi'.



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From: John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [lojban] {le} in xorlo

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From: And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com

> taking some subset, those that satisfy broda.

I can't get my head round the notion of multiple referents. To my way of thinking, the referent is the group; if one derives from that the predicate "x is a member of the group referred to", then certainly the poi/noi distinction makes sense. Hence to me, KOhA poi/noi is comparable to "li mu (ku) poi/noi" (in which perhaps more clearly the poi/noi contrast would seem to be vacuous).

Welcome to the club, of sorts.  But do not despair; you can have your cake and xorxes his without more than verbal befuddlement.  The logic of multiple reference and quantification is exactly the same as the logic of L-sets (mereology, the part-whole relationship: Lesniewski, Goodman, Leonard, Quine), so saying 'some brodas' or 'a bunch of brodas' works exactly the same way (pace Ockham).





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