Re: [lojban] Re: Alice - the xorlo version

[Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>]

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 06:34:27PM -0300, Jorge Llambías wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Veijo Vilva
> <veijo.vilva@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 2010/9/24 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
> >
> >> OK, I ask again, what would you use for the wanted sense of
> >> "tired" in Lojban? (She has been sitting there bored stiff for
> >> a while, and is beginning to get tired of that.)
> >
> > How about selfanza?
> 
> "co'a selfanza" makes more sense than "co'a to'e se cinri" to me,
> but I still think "tatpi" is closer to what she is feeling than
> "selfanza". I see "selfanza" more as a reaction to something
> sudden, while "tatpi" is the result of a long process.

I'm telling you that I would never back-translate {tatpi} as "tired
of".  When asked to backtranslate what you have by Lindar, what I
came up with was "Alice began to be tired by sitting on the river
bank next to her sister and doing nothing.", which is not at all the
same as being tired *of* same.

So, you can keep doing what you're doing, but I, at least, am not
going to understand it very well.

Ah, here's the crux of it I think: tatpi has "x1 needs/wants rest";
clearly, resting wasn't going to solve this problem, as resting *was
the problem*.  That's exactly it: tatpi is for problems that
resting/ceasing doing something will solve, and this isn't one of
them.

-Robin

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