Re: [lojban] nu pa moi se nunkei la'e lu lo do ckiku ma zvati li'u lu'u

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Alan Post <alanpost@sunflowerriver.org> wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 12:20:26AM -0300, Jorge Llambías wrote:
>> >    .i ko'a pe mi .i lo rokci pe mi .i ko'e pe do .i lo grana pe do
>>
>> Grammatical, but no predicates here. I assume you want:
>>
>> .i ko'a me mi moi .i lo rokci cu me mi moi .i ko'e me do moi .i lo
>> rokci cu me do moi
>
> I am trying to learn how {mi moi} relates to {pe mi} and {po mi}.

"mi moi" by itself is not grammatical. The construct is "ME sumti MOI
[MEhU]", which converts the sumti into a selbri.

> I understand that pe/po are relative phrases, and I'm not sitting in
> front of the reference grammar so I don't know why {pa moi broda} is
> gramatical whereas {mi moi broda} is not.

Because "pa" and "mi" are in different selma'o.

> If I say {.i lo broda ku me mi moi}, I understand that to mean
> "broda is in set of my things (and events, states, &c?), but where does
> this fall with regards to pe/po?

It's a general relationship, like "pe". The place structure of "ME
sumti MOI" is "x1 is sumti's by relationship x2", so you can always
make it more specific by adding a specific x2.

> Can you possess something in my set,
> as in the (non-grammatical) ".i do ponse lo mi moi rokci"?

The grammatical form would be "do ponse lo me mi moi rokci".

> To make this
> grammatical do I say ".i do ponse lo mi rokci"?  Or am I saying "you
> posses the me type-of rock?

That's also correct, and equivalent to "do ponse lo rokci pe mi". "pe
mi" attaches to the sumti "lo rokci", "me mi moi" is a tanru unit that
forms a tanru with "rokci".

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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