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Re: [lojban] nu pa moi se nunkei la'e lu lo do ckiku ma zvati li'u lu'u



On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:50:15AM -0600, Alan Post wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 07:38:57PM +0200, Krzysztof Sobolewski wrote:
> > Dnia poniedziałek, 27 września 2010 o 19:18:18 Alan Post napisał(a):
> > > The one of these you are interested in is here:
> > > 
> > >   http://dag.github.com/cll/18/11/
> > 
> > Ah indeed, ki'e.
> > 
> > > I personally think it could use a bit of fleshing out, it glosses
> > > over a lot very fast.
> > 
> > Yeah, no wonder I didn't remember it...
> > 
> > "It is perfectly possible to use non-numerical sumti after "me" and before a member of MOI, producing strange results indeed:"
> > 
> > Is it "perfectly possible" because there's no way to prevent it with grammar itself, i.e. it's a bug that became a feature? ;) Because I still don't have an idea what {me mi moi} would mean (me-th?).
> 
> You can compose the meaning by looking at the definition of me and
> moi:
> 
> me:
> 
>   x1 is a mass formed from the set x2 of n members,
>   one or more of which is/are x3
> 
> moi:
> 
>   x1 is the (n)th member of set x2 when ordered by rule x3 [by standard x4]
> 
> So one could take {me mi moi} to be:
> 
>   x1 is a member of the mass of those things that are mine.
>   
> I've been thinking about it like giving a name/description to a set,
> rather than counting the element of a set number-wise.
> 
> Other intrepretation is most certainly welcome!  It doesn't seem accidental,
> as a special rule was made for it.
> 

let me try this again:

me mi moi => me_x1 me (me_x2= (moi_x1=mi) moi)

  so the x2 of me is {mi moi} and the x1 of moi is {mi}

  x1 is a mass formed from the set of x2={mi moi} of n members
  x1={me} is the (n)th member of set x2 when ordered by rule x3 [by standard x4]

-Alan
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