Re: [lojban] Re: mi kakne lo bajra

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> But you say that {mi djica lo plise} is acceptable because it's doing some
> kind of on-the-sly sumti raising of "lo nu citka lo plise" or something,

Nothing on-the-sly about it.

> then what would be wrong with {mi djuno do}?

.i do djuno mi ma

"mi" is not a proposition. Events and objects are essentially the same
type of things, the type of things that can be seen, smelled, sensed,
touched, sensed, propositions are not that type of thing.


> If we're going to allow implicit {tu'a}'s in some places,

I never said that. I don't think it's a good idea to allow implicit
"tu'a"s at all.

> then we should allow them everywhere.  {mi
> se cinri la mynapoli} should be understood to really mean {mi se cinri tu'a
> la mynapoli}.

No, it should be understood as "mi se cinri la mynapolis", perfectly
fine and no "tu'a"s involved.

> And honestly, I think I'd be ok with that.  If a brivla seems like it should
> take an event in one of its slots, and instead you find lo bliku, make the
> assumption that it's really {lo nu lo bliku co'e} i.e. {tu'a lo bliku}.
>  Doing this would be fine with me....

Not at all fine with me.

> IF we did it consistently.
> But to say in one breath that {mi djica lo plise} is fine, but {mi djuno do}
> is not fine seems inconsistent.  And I like my lojban without
> inconsistencies.

I don't see the inconsistency. Can you write down in Lojban the
definitions of "djica" and "djuno" that you have in mind that make
those two comparable? I already gave you an (approximate) definition
for "djica". One for "djuno would be (roughly) something like:

ko'a djuno ko'e ko'i ko'o
= ko'a krici ko'e ko'i .ije ko'e jetnu ko'o

We can argue about the details, but that's the basic meaning. Neither
"ko'a krici mi" nor "mi jetnu" make sense to me. Maybe you have a
different meaning for "djuno" in mind? (And don't use the polysemous
English word "know", please.)

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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