Re: [lojban] Another comic (Again!)

[Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>]

2010/11/4 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Michael Turniansky
> <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 2010/11/1 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> I would make the answer "lo djedi be li su'e re ji'i ci"
>>>
>>  I agree with the question change, but as I'm sure you know (and
>> disagree with), xorxes, CLL 18.9.2 says your answer means "no more
>> than approximately 23 days" (20-approximately 3).
>
> Yes, for me "ji'i" is in the same class with "za'u", "me'i", "su'o"
> and "su'e". I don't think of "ji'i" as being in a world of its own.
>
> When it comes to choosing between being consistent with the rest of
> the language, or being consistent with some random offcial rule, I
> tend to lean towards the former.

    Except that the CLL is silent on how to interpret things like "pa
su'e mu".  It may very well be that this should be interpreted as any
number from 10-15.  Even more interesting would be "pa su'o mu" Does
this mean numbers from 15-19?  Couldn't it also mean numbers from
110-199?  1100-1999?  etc.?  Bizarre, perhaps, but in the absence of
any reformation/clarification of the PA system, entirely possible.  In
other words, ji'i might very well work the same as za'u, me'i su'o and
su'e.  We just haven't defined exactly how they work.  The big
problem, from my standpoint is lumping everything together in one big
PA catchall, meaning everything is interchangeable from a parser
format, but it makes interpreting their meanings headachy.


>
>> I'd say "bi'i", not "ji'i".
>
> I never remember whether "PA bi'i PA" is supposed to be an interval,
> some value in that interval, or either. If you use "bi'i" you should
> probably move the "su'e too: "(re) bi'i (su'e ci)".

Actually, I had the same question about your formulation -- how do you
know it right-groups into su'e (re ji'i ci)? (assuming that's how you
were reading it.  If not, how are you understanding your formulation?)
 But yes, I agree.. tell me how to do it?  vei/ve'o?

        --gejyspa

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