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Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation



But the first is just two sentences (maybe the second is a rhetorical question, but probably not) and the second just an ordinary UI attached to a vocative to indicate (pragmatically) that the surprise is at the identity of the object in view.  So, in the first 'da'oi' is misused (or rather used according to instruction even though the instructions make no sense) and the second doesn't even need the empathetic modifier, let alone the more remote connection that 'da'oi' suggests.


From: Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, November 27, 2010 3:24:25 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation

Oh, from vlasisku I thought that the /preceding/ UI was what was dai'ed to the DOIed person.  E.g. "mi viska do .ue da'oi la .remo." for "I see you aren't you surprised la remo" vs "mi viska do .ue doi la .remo."  -> "I see you (surprised that it's /you/), remo"

On Nov 27, 2010 4:17 PM, "Remo Dentato" <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> So just for clarification from other users of da'oi, am I doing it right? Or
>> should I just start using {.oipeikau} (dunno why I hadn't thought of that
>> before).
>
> I've not used {da'oi} yet but being of selma'o DOI I expect I'll use it like:
>
> {mi viska da'oi .liuk. .ue }
>
> to indicate that you were surprise that I had seen you, and
>
> {mi viska doi .liuk. .ue }
>
> to indicate that I was surprised to see you.
>
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