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Re: [lojban] Smart.fm error



It seems clear to me that "say" has multiple word senses. From wiktionary:

  • To�pronounce.
    Please�say�your name slowly and clearly.
  • To�recite.
    Martha, will you�say�grace?
  • To�communicate, either verbally or in writing.
    He�said�he would be here tomorrow.
  • To�indicate�in a written form.
    The sign�says�it�s 50 kilometres to Paris.

    ...is this really worth trying to pin down as absolutely right or wrong? "say" can mean pronounce, or it can mean communicate.�Polysemy exists in natural language glosses. This is inescapable.�


    It could be correct to say "But he didn't say anything" and he still indicated/communicated something.

    It could also be correct to say "I said hello on IRC" and never actually vocalize anything.

    ...i think that a design choice on the Smart.fm cards was to keep the definitions as brief as possible, and i see "say" as being pretty short in comparison with "express/communicate." Can't people who don't like it just copy the deck and make edits as they choose?

  • On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 03:46, Brian Shannon <teapot.philosopher@googlemail.com> wrote:
    > You say words, you express meanings.
    > You say "thank you", you express gratitude.
    > You say "I love you", you express your feelings.
    >
    > You cusku words, you cusku "thank you", you cusku "I love you".
    > You don't cusku meanings, gratitude or your feelings.
    >
    > "x1 says x2 to x3 via medium x4" is a much more accurate translation
    > of "cusku" than the version with "expresses", despite the gi'uste's
    > unfortunate choice of keyword. And "via medium x4" makes it plain that
    > this is not restricted to bacru, in case you were tempted to use such
    > an artificially restricted meaning of "say".
    >
    > Of course words do have meanings, so when you say words you are also
    > expressing their meanings, but what goes in x2 are the words, not the
    > meanings.

    This explanation makes much more sense. Unless you wish to tell us
    that "I say 'hello' to you using irc" is not a proper use of the word
    "say" in English. Clearly it is.

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