Re: Out of the mouths of babes (was Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language))

[John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>]

I think that just pulling out the words or concepts would not do the trick.  We 
need to be able to cover what the child *says*, not merely the words s/he uses 
individually, especially since the words turn out in context to have a variety 
of meanings, often far from the base.  I haven't look at the db, but if it does 
not include conversations -- and fairly long ones at that -- it will ultimately 
not be satisfactory (that is, it wi;; leave it open for critics to say we have 
not made our case.)




----- Original Message ----
From: Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, January 10, 2011 8:52:40 AM
Subject: Out of the mouths of babes (was Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying 
that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language))

On Sun, Jan 09, 2011 at 06:44:17AM -0500, Bob LeChevalier, President
and Founder - LLG wrote:
> John E Clifford wrote:
> >Portable recorder (a pen size say) and transcription at the end
> >of each day.  Textbooks cover very little of a typical
> >10-year-old's life, nor would adding in books, tv and games cover
> >the whole very well.
> 
> I believe that there already exist such corpora; I had access to
> one several years ago, called CHILDES.  I don't remember the age
> range.
> 
> http://childes.psy.cmu.edu/  seems to be the current site, and it
> looks like they've accomplished a lot since I last looked.

That looks really complicated.  If there's a way to extract "here's
a list of words/concepts that any language should/must be able to
easily express", I don't see how to do it.  If you could explore the
site to find that, it would be really helpful.

-Robin

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