On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Luke Bergen <
lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> oh wow. {nurxru} would have been an amazingly useful word when I was
> putting together earlier emails. That's a handy one. Also, thanks gejyspa,
> not sure why I was thinking sev.
> ta'onai mi na casnu tu'a lo se curmi .i mi casnu tu'a lo se virnu
> .i mi jinvi lo du'u lo nu da seznurxru ki'unai lo nu de mrobi'o keikei cu
> virnu va'o lo nu lo nu seznurxru kei cu rinka tu'a lo zmadu xamgu
> .isa'u da'i mi bazi facki lo micyske be fi la .cancer. .i mi tolvirnu lo nu
> da'i nurxru lo drata mu'inai lo nu mi morsi .iki'ubo so'i prenu cu mrobi'o
> ki'u lo nu mi morsi je nurxru lo drata
>
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Michael Turniansky <
mturniansky@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> ka'u ro remna cu se vamji lo cimni zi'o lo nu jmive .i seni'ibo va'o
>> da'i lo nu do bilga lo nu cuxna pa da lo nu do jmive kei ce lo nu lo
>> drata cu jmive keikei do bilga lo cuxna tu'a do .i lo nu de catra di
>> seva'u de cu se tolcru .iku'i lo nu de na'e nurxru di tezu'e lo nu de
>> jmive kei kei cu se curmi
>>
>> (BTW, Luke, you're using "sev-" where I think you mean "sez/se'i")
>> --gejyspa
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 2:00 PM, John E. Clifford <
kali9putra@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Not to mention the whole question of whether the greatest good
>> > --whatever
>> > that means -- is an appropriate basis for ethical decisions.
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPad
>> > On Jan 21, 2011, at 10:26, Luke Bergen <
lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > .i'ecai
>> > .iku'i so'i prenu cu krici lo du'u broda mintu lo selvirnu .i broda cei
>> > ko'a
>> > zukte fi lo nu jmive ja gleki ja xamgu lo drata kei ki'unai lo nu zukte
>> > cu
>> > xlali ko'a
>> > mi nelci lo selsku be do doi stevo
>> > .i na virnu ro lo nu toldjuno zukte
>> > Of course, that flies in the face of the classic act of heroism where a
>> > guy
>> > throws himself in front of a bus in order to shove a complete stranger
>> > out
>> > of the way. But, as per my earlier argument, it is kind of naive to
>> > assume
>> > that you're life is worth less than that of a complete stranger. In
>> > case my
>> > lojban is, again, too funky for clear understanding: many people
>> > believe
>> > that selflessness is synonymous with virtue.
>> > In reality, it is sometimes the case that "the greatest good" happens to
>> > coincide with a good outcome for "you". To assume that that never
>> > happens
>> > is naive.
>> > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 10:16 AM, MorphemeAddict <
lytlesw@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Nothing done blindly is virtuous.
>> >>
>> >> stevo
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Luke Bergen <
lukeabergen@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> .u'u .i sa'u .i broda cei ko'a sevmrori'a va'ojemu'i lo nu lo nu nei
>> >>> kei
>> >>> cu rinka lo nu lo drata cu jmive .i brode cei ko'a na'e pensi gi'e
>> >>> romoi
>> >>> broda va'o lo nu cumki .i brodi cei ko'a pensi .ijebo va'o lo nu lo
>> >>> drata cu
>> >>> zmadu ko'a lo ka vajni lo remna keikei ko'a broda lo drata .iku'ibo
>> >>> va'o lo
>> >>> nu ko'a zmadu lo drata kei ko'a na broda .i zmadu fi lo ka virdu kei
>> >>> fi'a
>> >>> brode fi'a brodi
>> >>>
>> >>> .u'ucai
>> >>>
>> >>> I think this is one of those times where my lojban is just not up to
>> >>> the
>> >>> task of expressing such a complex concept. In english then: is it
>> >>> more
>> >>> virtuous to blindly sacrifice onesself in order to save another, or is
>> >>> it
>> >>> more virtuous to consider probabalistically which life is more
>> >>> important to
>> >>> hummanity and act accordingly?
>> >>>
>> >>> i.e. if bob is on the brink of a breakthrough cure for cancer, should
>> >>> he
>> >>> be considered virtuous for sacrificing his life to save a homeless guy
>> >>> on
>> >>> the street?
>> >>>
>> >>> On Jan 20, 2011 5:16 PM, "Jorge Llambías" <
jjllambias@gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
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