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Re: [lojban] lo drata darlu
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> .ie .i no prenu cu kakne lo nu djuno lo balvi .iku'i ro prenu cu kakne lo nu
> smadi .i va'o lo nu da pulji gi'e de zerpre kei lakna fa lo nu da zmadu de
> tu'a lo xamgu balvi
(I'm sorry to be anti-xedbig philosophy here, but I can't make out
what you are saying here. It's not grammatical, because gi'e must be
followed by a bridi. Oh, never mind. I got it. You wanted "va'o lu
nu ge da pulji gi de zerpre kei...")
lakne se la'u li pi so'u .enai ku'i li pa
>.i cumki fa lo nu mutce mutce xlali fa lo nu de mrobi'o
> .iku'i ma'a roroi lakne jdice fi roda
> .i lo nu na'e pensi jdice cu xlali .i pe'i lo nu lakne jdice ba lo nu pensi
> je tcini bo viska keikei cu traji lo ka vrude
> .ita'o mi mutce srera .i ro selsku zo'u lo'ai virnu sa'ai vrude le'ai
>
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> lo se na'e curmi cu tolvri ca'e .i no prenu ka'e djuno fi lo balvi .i
>> la'acu'i do ji'a bazi morsi gi'e na mulgau lo danfu be tu'a lo kenra
>> .i la'acu'i ba lo nu do mikce fi lo kenra kei do snuti finti lo mutce
>> vidru noi catra pa gigdo be lo prenu .i semu'inai bo do bilga lo nu
>> cuxna tu'a do du'o lo brojda
>> --gejyspa
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > oh wow. {nurxru} would have been an amazingly useful word when I was
>> > putting together earlier emails. That's a handy one. Also, thanks
>> > gejyspa,
>> > not sure why I was thinking sev.
>> > ta'onai mi na casnu tu'a lo se curmi .i mi casnu tu'a lo se virnu
>> > .i mi jinvi lo du'u lo nu da seznurxru ki'unai lo nu de mrobi'o keikei
>> > cu
>> > virnu va'o lo nu lo nu seznurxru kei cu rinka tu'a lo zmadu xamgu
>> > .isa'u da'i mi bazi facki lo micyske be fi la .cancer. .i mi tolvirnu lo
>> > nu
>> > da'i nurxru lo drata mu'inai lo nu mi morsi .iki'ubo so'i prenu cu
>> > mrobi'o
>> > ki'u lo nu mi morsi je nurxru lo drata
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Michael Turniansky
>> > <mturniansky@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> ka'u ro remna cu se vamji lo cimni zi'o lo nu jmive .i seni'ibo va'o
>> >> da'i lo nu do bilga lo nu cuxna pa da lo nu do jmive kei ce lo nu lo
>> >> drata cu jmive keikei do bilga lo cuxna tu'a do .i lo nu de catra di
>> >> seva'u de cu se tolcru .iku'i lo nu de na'e nurxru di tezu'e lo nu de
>> >> jmive kei kei cu se curmi
>> >>
>> >> (BTW, Luke, you're using "sev-" where I think you mean "sez/se'i")
>> >> --gejyspa
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 2:00 PM, John E. Clifford
>> >> <kali9putra@yahoo.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Not to mention the whole question of whether the greatest good
>> >> > --whatever
>> >> > that means -- is an appropriate basis for ethical decisions.
>> >> >
>> >> > Sent from my iPad
>> >> > On Jan 21, 2011, at 10:26, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > .i'ecai
>> >> > .iku'i so'i prenu cu krici lo du'u broda mintu lo selvirnu .i broda
>> >> > cei
>> >> > ko'a
>> >> > zukte fi lo nu jmive ja gleki ja xamgu lo drata kei ki'unai lo nu
>> >> > zukte
>> >> > cu
>> >> > xlali ko'a
>> >> > mi nelci lo selsku be do doi stevo
>> >> > .i na virnu ro lo nu toldjuno zukte
>> >> > Of course, that flies in the face of the classic act of heroism where
>> >> > a
>> >> > guy
>> >> > throws himself in front of a bus in order to shove a complete
>> >> > stranger
>> >> > out
>> >> > of the way. But, as per my earlier argument, it is kind of naive to
>> >> > assume
>> >> > that you're life is worth less than that of a complete stranger. In
>> >> > case my
>> >> > lojban is, again, too funky for clear understanding: many people
>> >> > believe
>> >> > that selflessness is synonymous with virtue.
>> >> > In reality, it is sometimes the case that "the greatest good" happens
>> >> > to
>> >> > coincide with a good outcome for "you". To assume that that never
>> >> > happens
>> >> > is naive.
>> >> > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 10:16 AM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Nothing done blindly is virtuous.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> stevo
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> .u'u .i sa'u .i broda cei ko'a sevmrori'a va'ojemu'i lo nu lo nu
>> >> >>> nei
>> >> >>> kei
>> >> >>> cu rinka lo nu lo drata cu jmive .i brode cei ko'a na'e pensi gi'e
>> >> >>> romoi
>> >> >>> broda va'o lo nu cumki .i brodi cei ko'a pensi .ijebo va'o lo nu lo
>> >> >>> drata cu
>> >> >>> zmadu ko'a lo ka vajni lo remna keikei ko'a broda lo drata .iku'ibo
>> >> >>> va'o lo
>> >> >>> nu ko'a zmadu lo drata kei ko'a na broda .i zmadu fi lo ka virdu
>> >> >>> kei
>> >> >>> fi'a
>> >> >>> brode fi'a brodi
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> .u'ucai
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I think this is one of those times where my lojban is just not up
>> >> >>> to
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> task of expressing such a complex concept. In english then: is it
>> >> >>> more
>> >> >>> virtuous to blindly sacrifice onesself in order to save another, or
>> >> >>> is
>> >> >>> it
>> >> >>> more virtuous to consider probabalistically which life is more
>> >> >>> important to
>> >> >>> hummanity and act accordingly?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> i.e. if bob is on the brink of a breakthrough cure for cancer,
>> >> >>> should
>> >> >>> he
>> >> >>> be considered virtuous for sacrificing his life to save a homeless
>> >> >>> guy
>> >> >>> on
>> >> >>> the street?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Jan 20, 2011 5:16 PM, "Jorge Llambías" <jjllambias@gmail.com>
>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>>
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