Re: [lojban] will you help me understand BAhE+BU?

[Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>]

  Yeah, no.  I've used it 11 times in my published works (Esther once,
Terry the Tiger once, Berenstain Bears and the Prize Pumpkin 9 times).
Sorry, eleven times is just TOO MUCH to have to go back and retrofit.
ei mi renro do fi'o se zutse fanmo lo zargu be do
            --gejyspa


On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Robin Lee Powell
<rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:37:46AM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 07:40:07PM -0700, .alyn.post. wrote:
>> > I'm trying to make sense of various statements about Magic Words
>> > on the wiki:
>> >
>> >   (BAhE, even though it can modify any word, is not a magic
>> >   word, because it doesn't affect the function of the word it
>> >   modifies)[1]
>>
>> I wonder what would happen if I simply declared by fiat that ba'e
>> is deprecated, and you should use ge'e or another UI instead
>> (since AFAICT they have exactly the same "meaning" (or, rather,
>> lack of meaning)), and in 2 years if no insurmountable problems
>> are found it'll be removed from the grammar?
>>
>> This strikes me as about the largest change I could make without
>> immediately being tossed out on my ass. -_-
>
> We'd need a za'e replacement too.  Which doesn't seem hard.
>
> For what it's worth, the fact that BAhE performs inappropriate
> carnal acts on the PEG grammar actually isn't as important to me as
> it being basically a UI in how it's used, but with a totally
> different grammar from *everything else in the language*.  The only
> other thing that works even remotely like BAhE is ZO.  In and of
> itself this wouldn't be *so* bad, but in basically every semantic
> respect it works just like UI.  It's awful.
>
> ZEI is also crazy-exceptional, but at least it's *useful*.  There's
> nothing else you can replace ZEI with without making a new
> grammatical construct.  But BAhE is *trivially* replaced with a
> couple of UI, with no loss of expressive power.  It's just awful.
>
> -Robin
>
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