Re: [lojban] will you help me understand BAhE+BU?

[Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>]

That's why I suggested a deprecation cycle, rather than simply
changing it.  It would therefore be obivous which works fell into
which category.  Also, we wouldn't re-use ba'e for anything for
quite some time.

-Robin

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 03:01:57PM -0500, Michael Turniansky wrote:
> Yeah, no.  I've used it 11 times in my published works (Esther
> once, Terry the Tiger once, Berenstain Bears and the Prize Pumpkin
> 9 times). Sorry, eleven times is just TOO MUCH to have to go back
> and retrofit. ei mi renro do fi'o se zutse fanmo lo zargu be do
>
>             --gejyspa
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Robin Lee Powell
> <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:37:46AM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> >> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 07:40:07PM -0700, .alyn.post. wrote:
> >> > I'm trying to make sense of various statements about Magic Words
> >> > on the wiki:
> >> >
> >> >   (BAhE, even though it can modify any word, is not a magic
> >> >   word, because it doesn't affect the function of the word it
> >> >   modifies)[1]
> >>
> >> I wonder what would happen if I simply declared by fiat that ba'e
> >> is deprecated, and you should use ge'e or another UI instead
> >> (since AFAICT they have exactly the same "meaning" (or, rather,
> >> lack of meaning)), and in 2 years if no insurmountable problems
> >> are found it'll be removed from the grammar?
> >>
> >> This strikes me as about the largest change I could make without
> >> immediately being tossed out on my ass. -_-
> >
> > We'd need a za'e replacement too.  Which doesn't seem hard.
> >
> > For what it's worth, the fact that BAhE performs inappropriate
> > carnal acts on the PEG grammar actually isn't as important to me as
> > it being basically a UI in how it's used, but with a totally
> > different grammar from *everything else in the language*.  The only
> > other thing that works even remotely like BAhE is ZO.  In and of
> > itself this wouldn't be *so* bad, but in basically every semantic
> > respect it works just like UI.  It's awful.
> >
> > ZEI is also crazy-exceptional, but at least it's *useful*.  There's
> > nothing else you can replace ZEI with without making a new
> > grammatical construct.  But BAhE is *trivially* replaced with a
> > couple of UI, with no loss of expressive power.  It's just awful.
> >
> > -Robin
> >
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